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be repeated. ten families from the aurora shooting, they're speaking out with solidarity. plus, dr. ross takes us inside the mind of a killer. >> he was different. he was quiet. a nice kid, a good kid. >> how this time it may be different in changing the law of the line. >> we can't tolerate this anymore. these tragedies must end. and to end them, we must change. >> this is "piers morgan tonight." >> good evening. just a few minutes in the studio, we're going to do something quite extraordinary. i'm going to sit down with ten americans who lived what we hoped might be the last mass shooting in this country, the massacre in a movie heater in aurora, colorado. you need to hear what these people have to say about guns in america. >>> but first, a picture none of us ever imagined or feared we would ever have to see. the first funerals of the 20 young children killed at the sandy hook school in newtown, connecticut, on friday. 6-year-old jack pinto was laid to rest today. in his obituary, his family wrote, "jack will forever be remembered for the immeasurable joy he brought to all who had the pleas
more guns in that mall. and the mother of the aurora, colorado, victims, who thinks tonight, eyewitnesses tell me what they saw when they started. i talk a gun advocate who says there should have been more guns in that mall. and the mother of the aurora, colorado, victims, who thinks the opposite. and talks about guns, north korea's nuclear threat. and the man at both sides of the gun debate, mark kelly. >> president obama hasn't really addressed the gun issue at all. >> this is piers morgan tonight. good evening. our big story tonight, america armed. a day after another gun outrage, a young 22-year-old shoots up a mall of christmas shoppers in oregon. here's the statistics. there's more than 129,000 federally licensed firearms dealers in this country. that's according to the bureau of alcohol and tobacco. there's 16,000 grocery stores and 14,000 mcdonald's restaurants. far more places to buy guns in america than groceries or burgers. 47,856 people murdered by firearms between 2006 and 2010. two more murdered in clackamas center. and it could have been worse. thousands ran f
this summer, it can happen anywhere." the mayor of aurora, colorado, is still helping his community try to recover from the mass shooting there this summer where 12 people were shot and killed and another 58 people were shot but survived. he said today from aurora, "our hearts go out to the people of newtown." colorado's senator michael bennet said today, "as coloradans, we know how this type of tragedy can shake a community to its core. we are here for connecticut today." colorado's governor, john hickenlooper, he said, "we know too well what impact this kind of violence has on a community." he said that the first thing he wanted to do today was talk to his counterpart governor in connecticut, dan malloy. governor hickenlooper said, "i cannot put into words how impossible it seems to me that this can happen again so suddenly." virginia tech was the site of a mass shooting five years ago where 32 people were shot and killed on a college campus. another 17 people were shot and survived. the president of virginia tech said today, "we of the greater virginia tech community know from our ex
of these kinds of incidents and possibly nothing as appalling as this. there seems to be a pattern with aurora and the shopping mall shooting last week. young men in their early 20s suddenly flipping and getting ahold of weapons and causing outrages. what is driving them? what is the possible background to what is going on here? >> working on a lot of these cases there a number of different causes that can be divided into two broad categories. one category is people who have that trait of a loss of empathy and inability to connect to other people and a history of cruelty or what people talk about as sociopaths or antisocial personality. at the other end people with brain disorders and serious mental illnesses that are untreated or because of what's happening in their life, exacerbated by stress. it sounds like the little bit that is coming out, we are more in a direction that this is someone with a brain disorder and other parts of the story that it may take years to uncover it. there is nothing sudden about any of these stories. that's the headline for me. it's sudden for us that this happene
that died in that. we had a baby killed in the aurora theater. and this is sort of horrific beyond imagination because there's so many young people. we've heard this before. and there is -- you know, there are people saying wait a minute, can we not do anything just as a knee-jerk reaction, we need to think this through. >> the tipping point on these issues whether it's taking on assault weapons or providing more comprehensive mental health or addressing the sort of culture of violence that prompts somebody to do something like this, the tipping point should have happened a long time ago. if this is the tipping point, then we're going to go down to washington and prompt a conversation that's long overdue. you know, a young man grabbed us in his church we were in sobbing saying, don't let this happen again. i think our job here is to not set expectations too high, right. this is complicated. and so we can't solve it with legislation. there are certainly going to be lessons learned. >> isn't that in the end sort of balance you have to take, in that a person without a history, a crimi
of the country's worst mass shootings happened in aurora, colorado. jessica's mother sandy phillips joins me now. thank you for joining me. >> thank you for having me. >> you tweeted me on the night that i interviewed bob costas. and he was passionate and ar tick lat about why he believes the country needs more gun control. when you heard, your heart must sink and it must take you right back to the nightmare that you went through. >> absolutely. not only myself, but my husband, and the other 11 families that lost a loved one in aurora. >> we were texting last night and some of us were crying and we understand the pain that those families are going through. and those that were traumatized by the event. it is a horrible state of affairs that we are in. when we have leaders like landsy graham that said we are not going to do anything about it because we believe in the second amendment it makes you curious. i too believe in the second amendment and i'm a gun owner. to not address these issues is ludicrous. >> loni, the idea that i get after these outrages is if everybody had been armed they could ha
. >> aurora, virginia tech, oak creek. we hear from those who have lost the most. >> from the global resources of abc news with terry moran, cynthia mcfadden and bill weir in new york city. this is a special edition of "nightline." tragedy at sandy hook. the search for solutions. >> good evening. i'm cynthia mcfadden. at 9:30 this morning, church bells across america rang out in a moment of national silence. one chime for each victim of the tragedy that struck newtown, connecticut, one week ago. yet even as this nation comes together to mourn, we remain deeply divided. all weeknight line has dedicated our broadcast to examining the complex relationship between america and its guns. tonight the most divisive day yet. here's my coanchor, terry moran. >> reporter: in newtown this morning, silence, one week after the children screaming and the madman shooting. sigh length across the country. silence in the oval office. and that ancient marker of mourning and remembrance, church bells. [ bells tolling ] >> reporter: the pain is still raw, the horror still fresh. but in washington the debate is alre
tragedies like this from happening regardless of politics. >> in that aurora theater last july a gunman wielding a semi-automatic rifle with a 100-barrel magazine, a shotgun and pistol went on a rampage killing 12 and wounding 58. shortly afterwards colorado's governor said stricter gun laws would not have helped. >> if there were no assault weapons available, if there were no this or that, this guy is going to find something and know how to create a bomb. >> he seemed different in an interview last wednesday, two full days before the events here in connecticut. when you look at what happened in aurora, the governor said, a great deal of that damage was from the large magazine on the ar-15 rifle. i think we need to have that discussion and say, where is this appropriate? joining any now is the governor of colorado, john hickenlooper. thank you for joining us today. i think that things are so fresh here in connecticut, but you have been dealing for several months with the aftermath of what happened in aurora. i wonder if you have -- if i am misinterpreting you or interpreting you correct
in newtown or a shopping mall in oregon or a temple in wisconsin or a movie theater in aurora or a street coroner chicago, these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods and these children are our children and we're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this regardless of the politics. >> pelley: the president was no more specific about what he meant by "meaningful action" but for some americans it means taking a look at gun control. correspondent nancy cordes tells us that the issue is just as contentious as ever. >> reporter: in lafayette park tonight, across from the white house, a small group of progun control demonstrators held a candlelight vigil. but on both ends of pennsylvania avenue, there was near silence on the issue. both the republican house speaker, john boehner, and the democratic leader, nancy pelosi, called today's tragedy "unspeakable" but made no mention of the guns used to carry out the brutal act. gun control, an issue so hotly debated in the 1990s, is rarely discussed seriously today. the tkpwapb on assault weapons was a
this in horror right along with the president. martin? >> kristin, after the horrific shooting in aurora, we had an outpouring of grief, but the president didn't say that action should be taken. when we had the terrible deaths of six people at that sikh temple in wisconsin, there was another expression of grief from everybody, but the president didn't say, as he has just said, that we have to come together and take action. what do you think he means by that, kristin? >> reporter: well, it was certainly, i think, one of his strongest statements potentially calling for stiffer gun control measures. in the wake of the aurora shooting, a couple weeks afterwards, he was at an event at the urban league and he talked about the need for common sense measures, making it more difficult for weapons to get into the hands of those who might not be mentally stable. putting more money, more federal funding into preventative measures for those who are mentally unstable. so i think that those are some of the ideas that might be discussed. white house press secretary jay carney today reiterated the fact that the
now spoken out. of course, aurora fresh on their memories there as well as the rest of the nation. has spoken out in terms of some gun control. let me just update from wnorthbound's jonathan dietz, and this is very preliminary and we know these numbers are going to change, and the story will evolve, but a law enforcement official who jonathan, who is our experienced criminal justice reporter in new york at wnbc is reporting that a law enforcement official in the area is saying that 17 or 18 children may, in fact, be dead and that seven or eight adults as well are believed killed. >> well, first, of course, our thoughts and prayers are with those people with their family members who are now, i'm sure, trying to find out what happened. we hope that situation -- we -- our thoughts are with them. david is exactly right. there's been no debate about gun control in this country for years, despite a series of these horrific shootings. i wonder if that's about to change. governor hickenlooper, the very popular governor of colorado, says enough time has passed since that movie theater shooting
. >> this is obviously a disturbed boy. >> correct. >> some other cases holmes in aurora disturbed. the entertainment industry there is some statistics about kids will have watched thousands of acts of violence on videos, on games and movies and tv by the time, you know, they are 10. specifically, what kind of thing can we do about that? >> that's why i think we need a national commission. i will tell you i spent enough time on this question of violence in the entertainment culture to reach this conclusion. that the violence in the entertainment culture particularly with the extraordinary realism to video game movies et cetera does cause vulnerable young men, particularly to being more violent it. doesn't make everybody more violent but it's a causative factor in some cases. we have got to ask the entertainment industry what are tone it down. >> chris: pass a law. >> in our society you try to do it voluntarily, you have come to a point to say if not maybe there is some things we can do to tone it down. there is a better rating system now than there used to be on video games and violent movies. they a
carthy and i from new york introduced this bill earlier this session after the terrible shootings in aurora which are right outside my congressional district. we tried to push for this bill. it's only a step of what we need to do, but to be honest, you're never going to stop some seriously deranged person from trying to shoot again. but what you can do is stop them from having these magazines that will kill 26 people in a ten-minute period. and so we're urging -- the bill's ready. we signed up 16 people in one hour this morning. we think that speaker boehner could bring it to the floor this week and show the country that we're really making some positive first steps to keeping these serious, serious weapons out of the hands of people who are criminals or who are seriously mentally ill. >> so you think that it's possible to bring this to the floor of the house this week? >> we could do it. it's been introduced. it's ripe. we have a number of co-sponsors. then the first of the year we're going to work with senator feinstein and others to do a more comprehensive bill to deal with the assault w
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or a temple in wisconsin or a movie theater in aurora or a street corner in chicago, these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods and these children are our children. >> live look there in newtown, connecticut, where folks are gathered for a news conference that was supposed to start about two hours ago. at the news conference we are expecting to hear the names of the victims. the officials there tell us that they are going to officially release the names of all of the victims from yesterday's mass shooting at sandy hook elementary school. when that happens we will bring it to you live. expecting to hear from the governor of connecticut at some point over the next few hours as well. governor malloy. going to be addressing folks in connecticut. that was president obama just a few moments ago talking about the tragedy. that was a weekly radio address. he used his weekly radio address. mr. obama said the nation grieves for those killed in newtown and their families. he also said that it is time to take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this. nbc's white house correspondent krist
and chicago, but countless small towns throughout our nation, towns with names like newtown, aurora, tucson, dekalb, blacksburg and littleton. in the years i have been a member of this body, this house has not held a single hearing, not one to address gun violence. while over 30,000 americans die each year from gun violence, over 400 lives have been lost by gun violence in my hometown of chicago, people are dying every day. . we in this body are afraid to talk about it. the time has come for us to stop listening to the gun lobby and start listening to the american people. the fact is the majority of americans gun owning and not, desire commonsense, reasonable gun regulation. congress must no longer stand in the way of reasonable legislation, instead we must champion it. the american people want to see background checks required on all firearm purchases instead of the fractions of sales that get done today. 408% of u.s. gun sales are by private sellers who are not required to perform background checks. you can be a three-time convicted felon, a serial domestic abuser, severely mentally ill,
and i extra sense of pain. now to your question, the facts are, as in aurora and as in arizona and virginia tech as in virtually every single case that the secret service conducted. is it is preceded by an undiagnosed and untreated menal illness. we need to be careful with information that over the last 24 hours, increasing information came in from family members, from friends and from students. that adam lanza as you have mentioned was disturbed and removed, and isolated and the fact matter is, like aurora, like arizona, like virginia tech, that is the key diagnostic sign of someone who is 20 years old of a machine who is delusional. and riulent and parinoid and able to commit such a horrific act. most schizophrenia people are not riulent but it is what we have seen in homes and what we may see in this case. >> doctor as you pointed out. we may see in this case. and you point to significant patterns. nthere eing signs. nthere are, but how should we navigate this? we want to provide and explain a bit of what happened here but don't want to use diagnosiss to justify the actions.
has consoled the community hit by gun violence. there was ft. hood, there was tucson, there was aurora, and now newtown. the president arrived here late this afternoon. he met with victims' families and first responders. and tonight he attended a vigil at the newtown high school. >> newtown, you are not alone. these difficult days have unfolded. you've also inspired us, with stories of strength and resolve and sacrifice. >> jeff: the president also called for change in that speech saying are we really powerless in the face of such carnage. tomorrow the first funerals will take place. and today we learned police said that friday's massacre could be have been much, much worse. here's jim axelrod. >> reporter: newtown is a place of sober reflection and crushing emotion. all day people walk slowly to this makeshift memorial to leave flowers, light a candle, shed their tears. >> they were babies, they were innocent babies and that is what makes it almost incomprehensible. >> reporter: at st. rose of lima catholic church where adam landsa, his mother and eight of his young victims all wore s
they are convinced that newtown marks a tipping point. >> reporter: i'm bruce leshan on capitol hill. newtown, aurora, columbine, virginia tech, the family of murder victims come to congress demanding a change in america's gun laws. >> my little brother was riddled with bullets. >> reporter: a litany of pain. >> i am here today wearing my son's shoes. >> reporter: almost too horrible to bear. >> they're the shoes he was wearing on april 20, 1999 when he was gunned down at columbine high school. >> reporter: one after the other. >> in memory of our 19-year-old daughter. >> reporter: dozens of relatives recited their stories. >> a.j. boyk was killed in the aurora theater shooting. >> reporter: every day in america, nearly this many families become new victims of gun violence. >> my son miraculously survived. >> reporter: andre's 8-year-old son bear was walking towards the principal's office in newtown. >> he says he saw bullets passing by. >> reporter: a teacher rescued him. >> she pulled him in her own classroom. >> reporter: now he says washington has to rescue america with sensible gun laws. >> it's
, if a child is 11 or older they've seen 09/11, the two wars and the snipers and the aurora shooting and now this. that's too much. >> it is too much. the realityis that despite the awful nature of this incident, these events are isolated and quite unusual and you want to convey that to your children. open line of communication. millions ofchildren go to school every day and they're safe. the adults in their life are looking out for their safety and parents, don't panic. >> that's easy to say, hard to do. >> doctor, are you going to stay around. >> i am going. >> thank you very much. > . >>> and now maryland's most accurate forecast. >> it's tough to see out there now. the fog has been holding tough and there will be showers mixing in with the fog. it'sgoing the be an ugly night on the road. 46 degrees with 100% relative humidity. that plus no wind is adding up to a foggy situation. you can see that cloud deck descending and then that fog gets thick. unanimouspolice today -- unanimous police not much that you can make out. we see the rain mixing in with the fog, mist. an ugly look her
related violence. 18,000 gun suicides. that is never included after the damagety in aurora. why are shows statistics not in almost every article about aurora or any other gun massacre. why isn't there simple context? the press has sort of shied away from it. they don't treat it as any sort of social issue it's a crime issue, everything is a crime issue, a crime scene and 48 hours, we're on to the next one. >> when you look at the congress and you have john boehner as the speaker, is there any hope that he would even consider a gun control or is this the republican party in washington right now? >> i think you have to go about it the right way. you have to build that public support and marshall the public support that already exists and make it clear to leaders like john boehner that in the american public, even among his constituents, his party days, gun owners, that that support for example exists. >> frank luntz i guess the go to guy. the brady bill was perhaps the high point of this effort, so the attempted assassination of a president, and issuing of this press secretary to galvanize
the moment the aurora shooting happened. one single shooting in american history. you'll see immediately out come the pro-gun lobbyists saying if everyone in the theater had been armed, he wouldn't have done what he did. to me, it's such a facile argument. >> it would be comical if it weren't so tragic. you're in a darkened theater. people start shooting willy-nilly. think of the empire state incident a few month ago where some guy goes in to take vengeance on former co workers. the police show up. these are highly trained people with firearms. they eventually shoot and kill this guy, but nine innocent bystanders are hit in the cross fire. this stuff doesn't always play itself out like a movie. >> in that case, in the following month, the 44% spike in gun sales in colorado because people bought in mentally to this. this saying, if you had been armed, you would be okay. >> you can see how someone feels a sense of comfort and peace if they have a firearm. they can protect themselves at least theoretically. no one is saying, at least i'm not saying and most people i know, aren't saying you shou
hearts are broken. >> to an aurora colorado movie theater this past summer. >> 12 dead. >> when you have an opportunity to visit with families who have lost their loved ones as i described to them, i come to them not so much as president, as i do as a father. and as a husband. >> late they're same month the president faced criticism from liberals for speech to the national urban league. >> when i said in the wake of tucson was we were going to stay on this persistently. >> the where he talked about violence but carefully danced around the issue of gun control and offer nod specific plans for follow-through. >> we identify gun ownership that pass on from generation to generation that hunting and shooting are part of cherished national heritage but i also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree ak-47s belong in the hands of seasonals not in the hands of criminals. >> today, dramatic chief. specific promise of action in the second term. >> these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods. the children are our children. >> we have to come together to take meaningful action to prevent more trag
covered this ever night since the sandy hook massacre and we did the same after aurora and others and there's been this escalation in the scale of these atrocities and i have been getting angry this week at some of the gun rights people who have come on the show, very angry, and i have been accused of being rude and all the rest of it. if you can't get angry over the cold-blooded murder of 20 school children age 6 and 7 years old, when do you get angry? who do americans say enough, this is not going to continue? by the way, what he didn't mention today, wayne lapierre, he didn't mention anything about assault weapons other than to try to play down what they are. he didn't mention high-capacity magazines. he didn't explain why the killer in aurora needed 100 bullets in a magazine. what is the purchase of the mass slaughter. nor did he mention background checks. 40% of all gun trades, there's no background check. had he done any of those things, someone would have said, he's making some good effort. there was nothing. >> that's right. a guy like me who thinks there's just too many h
or a temple in wisconsin, or a movie theater in aurora or a street corner in chicago, these neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children. and we're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics. this evening, michelle and i will do what i know every parent in america will do. which is hold our children a little tighter, tell them we love them and remind each other how deeply we love one another. but there are families in connecticut who cannot do that tonight, and they need all of us right now in our days to come, the community needs to us be at our best as americans, and i will do everything in my power as president to help, because while nothing can fill the space of the lost child or loved one, all of us can extend a hand to those in need, to remind them that we are there for them, that we are praying for them, that the love they felt for those they lost endures not just in their memories, but also in ours. may god bless the memory of the victims, and in the words of scripture, heal
unstable shooter. >> same in picture. >> same. >> virginia. aurora. clearly tucson and this. but it was the access to extra -- i mean, you can't sit here and deny that he had -- that all of these guys had arsenals and you have to say, is there a way that limits the amount of ammunition? would you be open to regulating how people purchase ammunition? >> if it would be shown that it really worked to prevent crimes. and, you see, i think that's -- >> but how do you prove that without implementing the policy? >> well, we don't even have all the facts yet. i think we need to get those from what exactly happened and how he did get those. in virginia, the shooter there, cho, actually was able to legally purchase those firearms, had no prior record. and the question that you brought up is an important one. short of being ajoout adjudicated incompetent, if you have other mental health issues, at what point do we deprive you of your civil liberties, including the right to own a firearm. that's where the constitution is pretty clear. >> let me ask you about the culture of violence. tak
. columbine, gabrielle giffords, aurora, the movie theatre. virginia tech. i think we need a national commission on mass violence. not to be in place of anything else, the president or congress or state governments might want to do. but, to make sure that the heart break and the anger that we feel now, is not dissipated over time, or lost in legislative gridlock. i have to tell you, this reminds me of the days and weeks after the terrorist attacks against us of 9/11. and, at one point, john mccain and i turned to each other and said, we can't let this just go. we have to create a national commission to investigate exactly the questions we're asking about newtown, how could this have happened and is there anything we can do to try to prevent it from happening again. >> chris: but, there were forums after 9/11 and after the commission and the way that the intelligence community and fbi shared information, it wasn't just, let's wallow in our grief. let me ask you a specific -- >> no, but i want to say, quickly that that is exactly what i don't want to top. i don't want to us wallow in ou
in america, aurora, orego in the shopping mall and now here in newtown have involved young people using the same and now here, newtown, all involved young people using the same weapon. an ar-15 semiautomatic rifle all with high capacity magazines. in aurora, over 100 in his magazine which he could fire off. here we saw up to 30. here's the question. why do you feel that americans should have those if your belief is they just have to defend themselves? >> well, before i go any further, piers, first, thanks for having me back. we did have a heated discussion last time and i much appreciate this more calm discussion. second, on behalf of i'm sure i speak for the entire board of michigan coalition of responsible gun owners we offer our sincere condolence and sympathies for the victims and their families. we are all about safety. we all want to be safe and we certainly want children to be safe. like i said last week, we just disagree on how to get there from here. to answer your question, i would point out that the shooter in the mall in oregon was confronted by a legally armed citizen who
at sort of wider causes. after the aurora shooting at the movie theater this summer, i had governor hickenlooper of colorado on the program. and he was making the point that, yes, he used an assault rifle, but, you know, had he not had that he could have had a bomb. this is a portion of our conversation. >> i mean, if he could have gotten access to the bombs, what kind of bomb would he have manufactured? we are in the information age where there's access to all kinds of information. and humans can be diabolical and twisted in the sense that he was almost a terrorist. >> i don't think you can go to parents and say, i'm sorry, there's always going to be some crazy person, so we as a society are not going to protect your children. you don't really mean that. and i assume the governor didn't mean that. there's always going to be bad people, and there's always a way you -- you can strangle somebody with your hands. that doesn't mean everybody should have an assault weapon. you're going from one thing to another. the bottom line is that if you -- people say -- the other thing they said af
their own children during a moment of silence. after tucson, fort hood, aurora, and oak creek, it is newtown that may end up being the inflexion point for measurable change. president obama suggested as much last night. >> we can't tolerate this anymore. these tragedies must end and to end them we must change. >> it's monday, december 17th. joining me today msnbc contributor and editor of the grio.com joy reid, former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, deputy new york city mayor howard wolfson and editor of the "new york times" magazine edward lindgren. jansing and company's chris jansing joins us now. you have been on the road a lot this year to some very terrible places in the wake of some very serious american tragedies, but this one, if i dare say it, seems a little bit different. give us your sense of your take on the move -- as far as the mood on the ground and how the community is reacting m days since the tragedy. >> alex, it would be difficult to even begin to try to express the depth and the breadth of the pain that this community is feeling and will feel all weeklong. the first of
not to look and see. they believe all the responsibility has to go to the authorities.the guy in aurora it example. 2/3 of the mass killings showed signs of debilitating mental illness. someone should have stepped forward. host: teresa in oklahoma, you are on the air. caller: thank you for taking my call. i think we need to go back one more step. how about these videos and these games? i have a 12-year-old grandson. it was a video game that played plan only. -- plays violently. his dad allows him to watch these violent movies and played these violent, violent video games. he thinks that it's ok. i said, that is not parenting. even if your child is not mentally ill or has a problem, what are they watching? guest: that is a good point. almost all people calling for more gun control make no mention of any restrictions of our first amendment rights. look, i do not want to control hollywood or video games. quentin tarantino has a new film out in which a bunch of white people get massacred because they are owning slaves and it is a massacre. i know the city has canceled the los angeles premie
, steven who was shot in the aurora community center this summer, and dave, the author of "columbine." dave, what we are establishing in the intro and what we realized, there's no obvious answer. we can talk about the gun aspect, we can talk about domestic violence. this was an act of domestic violence killing her, but there was no pattern before of domestic violence. talk nfl head injuries, but we don't have a strong history of concussions here. columbine, everything that came out in the days after that ended up being wrong. do you see parallels here? >> yes, i do. this case is refreshing. there's a lot of recent cases. we sort of allowed ourselves, collectively, the media and the country to be in a we don't know stage. some people have their ideas. it's nice that no single narrative emerged because in the past, particularly columbine with this, within the first week, we hit it soft. the whole country knew why it happened. two outcast loners who gone through the school on a rampage of revenge against the jocks because they were pullied. they were going to pay the jocks back. everybody unde
" and there is a report in the "new york times" on sunday after the aurora shooting that the justice department went to the white house, i know you educe weren't there then with ways to expand background checks and to go there was a decision not to go assign that far. not to assign blame but politically how hard is it to take on the in ra. to p >> having passed the brady bill assa and the assault ban, the last rea time we really had gun control it is very hard. that's why what you have to access focus on is criminal access and s the type of guns and make it a law enforcement issue. when i worked for president clinton we had all the police pol chiefs in d.c. and that's why also i think now is the proximity to the vote is is ery, very very, very important and i thinkhink it' it's essential to have a vote of conscience, put it up. people know what happened here number one.er two number two is it has to be aboutpeople - people's, the type of criminal access to the type of gun which showed is why you showed earlier the n because type of gun because i think when people see that it's clea
." there was a reported in "the new york times" on sunday that after the aurora shooting -- i know you weren't at the white house then, but that the justice department went to the white house with ways to expand the background check system in order to reduce the risk of guns falling in the hands of mentally ill people. and there was a decision made not to go that far. what i guess i'm trying to ask, not assign blame, but politically, how hard is it to take on the nra? >> first of all, having fought to pass the brady bill and the assault weapon ban, the last time we really had gun control, it is very hard. that's why what you have to focus on is criminal access and the type of guns and make it a law enforcement issue. when i worked for president clinton we had all the police chiefs in d.c., and that's why i also think now the proximity to the vote is very, very important. i think it's essential to have a vote of conscience. put it up, people notice what happened here, number one. number two is, it has to be about people -- the type of criminal access to the type of gun which is why you showed
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